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Temperature, 3rd chorus doubt

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Mon, 01/30/2023 - 07:59
ShaneSullivan
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Hi David, had a doubt in chorus 3 Temperarure.

Bar 5 is 2+2+ then slide 2+3+2+3+ then move to 6th bar which is 2+ held note tremolo. But when I hear you playing I hear 2 notes in bar 6. There are 3 notes on the staff. I guess it's a tie. Please could you explain. Thank you.

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Mon, 01/30/2023 - 09:24
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Hello Shane. Yes, those three

Hello Shane. Yes, those three notes are tied together, so just one long note there with a tremolo. I only played one note... I think what you're hearing is the tremolo.

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Mon, 01/30/2023 - 21:51
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Then why 3 notes tied vs just

Then why 3 notes tied vs just one note tremolo on the staff. I am sorry I still have to complete level 1 theory.

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Mon, 01/30/2023 - 21:51
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Then why 3 notes tied vs just

Then why 3 notes tied vs just one note tremolo on the staff. I am sorry I still have to complete level 1 theory.

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Tue, 01/31/2023 - 07:47
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No worries Shane, there's a

No worries Shane, there's a lot to unpack in regards to how music works. There is not one note duration that equals the length of time that note is held. What you're seeing is not three notes, but one note held the combined duration of the three with a tie. Here's a lesson on how this works https://www.bluesharmonica.com/lessons/rhythm_training

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Wed, 02/01/2023 - 10:33
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There is not one note duration that equals the length of time that note is held

By this do you mean that the only possible notation for that length of time is to use this three notes combination with a tie ? Because there is no way we could "express" this particular length of time using just a one note or even two notes time notation ?

I have done a bit of that lesson and this is what I gather but I'm not sure that your comment I quoted is about that.

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Wed, 02/01/2023 - 10:47
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We're definitely getting into

We're definitely getting into the weeds here.

The simple performance direction is to rest on the downbeat of the bar (beat 1), and then play the 2+ on the upbeat ("and" of beat 1) and hold it for the rest of the bar.

To notate this we need a rest on the downbeat, for half a beat (eighth note rest) and then some form of notation to show we're holding the 2+ for the rest of that bar. We could use the notation shown, eighth tied to a quarter, tied to a half. We could use an eighth tied to a dotted half. We could use a dotted quarter tied to a half. And the list goes on.

As a notation artist, I choose which note values help the student keep track of time within the bar (if they're reading the music). If it were a professional musician, I may notate it differently.

So, it's not the "only" way to notate the duration of the 2+, but whatever way it is notated, it takes more than one note to do so. For the student, the focus is that you're not to play a 2+ for each note value, but due to the tie, hold that 2+ for the combined duration of all of them. Or, as I simply stated before, rest on the downbeat and then play on the upbeat and hold it for the rest of the bar (or somewhere close, due to the additional fact that we commonly decay the last note of a phrase).

Make sense?

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Wed, 02/01/2023 - 11:20
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Cristal clear ! Thank you for

Cristal clear ! Thank you for this detailed answer.

I'm sorry to keep us in the weeds and do end it if you find it's counterproductive, however now I can't help but being curious as to why this notation helps the student to keep track of time better than the other ones you listed.

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Wed, 02/01/2023 - 11:42
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Dotted values are much harder

Dotted values are much harder for readers to process.

Values that also bridge through beats 2 and 3 are harder to keep track of where you are in the bar (our 4/4 time is really 2/4 + 2/4, so we try to divide the bar in this way, so the reader can keep track of the front half and the back half of a bar).

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Wed, 02/01/2023 - 11:44
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Ok I see ! Very interesting,

Ok I see ! Very interesting, thanks

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