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New 4th position chromatic instrumental

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Fri, 09/25/2015 - 00:50
Expert Winslow Yerxa
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Per the recent queries about 4th position blues chromatic, I recently recorded an instrumental in 4th position called Blue Rant. 

You can listen to it here: Blue Rant

Each verse explores a different technique, but most of what I play is based on the A minor pentatonic scale: A C D E G - but with chromatic passing tones, and sometimes notes from the D and E blues scales. I also use splits and chords that fit with A minor (and D minor and E7 and F7).

The chord progression is similar to "The Thrill is Gone): A minor and D minor I and IV chords. The turnaround, instead of going V-IV-I (E-D-A) goes bVI-V-I (F7-E7-A minor).

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Fri, 09/25/2015 - 11:44
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hank stefaniak
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Beautiful!!

Loved it Winslow. Thanks - gives me cause to start dabbling in 4th position on the chromatic. 

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Fri, 09/25/2015 - 12:53
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One simple rule with 4th position

Thanks, Hank.

Notice that during the I (A minor) chord I was careful to play the note A by itself (or in octaves) and never combine it with other notes, because none of them fit the A minor chord.

By following that one simple rule, I was able to do all kinds of other splits and double stops - and single note lines, and still have everything sound like it fit.

The other thing I did a fair amount of was to focus on the A minor pentatonic, as described above. You could change the scale every time you change the chord (and sometimes I did that). But it's amazing how much mileage you can get out of the minor pentatonic (or blues scale if you add the flat 5). 

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Sat, 11/19/2016 - 00:55
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Thank you for sharing

It's a great piece, thank you for sharing.  I'm just a beginner and probably quite some time away from trying the chromatic.  Do you still favour the Hohner 270?

Steve

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Sun, 11/20/2016 - 12:07
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The 270 and other chromatics

The recording was done using a Suzuki Sirius 64. I use a variety of chromatics, different brands, different models. The 270 has a nice sound but stock instruments are often leaky. I used to play them stock and complain, but when I play them now I either mount them on a stainless steel comb or refinish the wood comb - sand it flat, drill it out for screws, and seal it. I have to say that even with all the great newer models on the market, the 270 still delivers THAT SOUND for blues (and several other styles).

The 270 is a 12-hole chromatic, and at least in C, is a bit high pitched for blues chromatic, which originated on a 16-hole chromatic (at least the ittle Walter/George Smith variety). Twelve-hole chromatics have the advantage of being smaller and a little less overwhelming that 16-holers, but for range, I prefer using either a 16-holer or 12-holers in keys lower than C (and C is the highest key for 12-hole chromatics). You hear George Smith, William Clarke, and others, using A, G, Low F, and even Low D  chromatics to stay in that lower, darker, growlier range when they're not using a 16-holer, which comes only in C. (There are a few examples of factory Bb and A 16-holers but these are vanishingly rare and not worth trying to find unless you're prepared to wait half a lifetime while scouring the globe).

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Tue, 11/22/2016 - 23:32
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Thank you

Hi Winslow

I appreciate the response, thank you.

Steve

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Mon, 12/12/2016 - 18:15
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3rd postion

Brilliant Winslow...

I played along in 3rd postion on the G harp staying behind you in accompaniment as if I was playing to "The thrill is gone"

Like you described,if I played the 1,4 hole octave I was in tune and matching.

Interesting your comments on the low tuned chromatics having that "Growly" nature.

I hope to have a chromatic soon and take my playing to "that" next level but I sure do like the G Harp 3rd pos. in A minor tunes.

John aka (Johnny Harp lol)

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