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Forums :: Ask Harp Tech Expert Kinya Pollard

how to tell if a reed has failled.

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Mon, 03/30/2020 - 15:16
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Original title was Help! I think I borked it. But in the end this was the adult tittle to post.

 

Haha Hiya Kinya,

 

So I think I may have broken a reed.

 

First let me explain haha. Okay so I have a marine band in the key of a ( bought it last December after David told me I needed an a for the lessons ) and boi has this harp been through a lot. Firstly, I've been doing the lessons with it but I've taken this thing everywhere I've been in the last year. Hot/cold (I live in Canada so hello -40 ).

 

Keep in mind my harp has been working perfectly throughout all of this.

 

Last month I decided it was time to open and clean my harp. Because it's a marineband I figured I'd drill the reed plate, swap the comb and use screws. Turns out drilling into brass has nothing to do with drilling into steel so this whole thing has been a learning experience.

My harp has been appart for about a month now and I've finally managed to get all the right sized drill bits, screws, nuts... and the harp is back together.

Except that now blow 3 sounds funny. It kinda sounds muffled. Kinda like if you were to play a harp covered in a towel. I've opened, closed, open it a few times and I've checked for the following.

 

1- reed position : pretty sure this is good. I mean the reed could probably use work (I've never tweaked them) but I don't think the reed is hitting the sides. Pictures are included in the google folder showing the gap.

 

2- I've played it without the covers and sometimes the note comes out clear sometimes it doesn't.

3- I inspected it for water and that was fine

4- plicking the reeds. Ha! there was a difference here. When I plick the blow reed on #3 it doesn't sound springy like the other notes. I included a video in the google folder of the plicking

 

5- coverplates. I used to think maybe I did something wrong with the coverplates. I've miss assembled my crossover once and removed/reinstalled the cover plates and that fixed it but no luck with the MB.

 

Funny thing is that the only thing wrong with the harp as a whole is blow note on hole 3. The draw bends on hole 3 come out perfect. The comb also made the harp in general much better (it's a zajac comb) so I'm sure it's not the comb that's leaky or something ( I can even do 6 overblows with this comb).

 

Here is a google folder with audio/pictures and a video of the plicking for you to see and hear what I mean.

 

pictures are with light so you can see the gapping of the reed compared to the slot audio is so you can hear it.

 

harp_MB :is the marineband with the bad 3. I play the +2 +3 +4 with about the same breath force.

MB covers off : I actually got the note to play clean once with the covers off (I've managed with the covers on also here and there but mostly it's muffled)

Crossover : this is the same +2 +3 +4 but on a crossover for comparison.

 

So what's the deal? Failed reed ?

 

p.s : if you put the video in HD you can actually see the #3 reed vibrate much less then the other ones.

 

 

 

Thanks for your time.

 

Regards,

 

Chris

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Mon, 03/30/2020 - 15:17
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oops I should probably

oops I should probably mention I dropped the reed plate on the floor and it's seen quite a bit of vibration as I've tried different drill bits on it :|

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Mon, 03/30/2020 - 15:29
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Yikes! Tons of proven tips

Yikes!

Tons of proven tips and techniques on Harp Tech Study Series #5 REPLACING REEDS https://www.bluesharmonica.com/harp_tech_study_5_reed_replacement

Based on the photos and recordings you sent, I am suspicious that the reed might be turned "just a tad" on it's rivet axis, and therefore, not clearing the reed slot properly. Watching me "do" on the Harp Tech Study Series #5 will be more effective than me writing instructions.

Let me know if the video has helped (or made it worse ;o)

Your Harpsmith, Kinya

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Mon, 03/30/2020 - 17:54
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Ohh Nice!! You were right on

Ohh Nice!! You were right on the money !!

 

Thank you so much. I didn't dare try to mess with the reed lol.

I really had a hard time seing how it was crooket so I ended up just trying and plicking till I got the buzz you'd expect it to make. Now the reed works as it should.

 

thanks again ;P

 

Chris

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Mon, 03/30/2020 - 18:07
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Good job Chris. Now you will

Good job Chris. Now you will have to give the members your shipping address so that they can mail you their funky harmonicas!

Your Harpsmith, Kinya

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Mon, 03/30/2020 - 19:51
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Hahaha someday maybe but I

Hahaha someday maybe but I suspect I'll be busy for the next good long while building harps ;P

I have a few projects right now but I'm still tooling up. next are the sojberg tuner table and a proper peterson tuner. Once I have a tuner I can play with reed gapping and shaping.

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Tue, 03/31/2020 - 15:46
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If you have a mobile phone,

If you have a mobile phone, and/or tablet, I would recommend the Clear Tune chromatic tuner app. Affordable and super accurate.

Your Harpsmith, Kinya

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Fri, 04/03/2020 - 09:35
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I have the clear tune

I have the clear tune chromatic tuner app but I think it doesn't work so great on android maybe.

When I use it it bounces between being responsive to not responding at all. When it's bad I can play 3-4 notes before it actually moves (I always play them 4 seconds or more). and when it's responsive it moves almost imediatly. This is leading me to have trust issues with it lol.

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Fri, 04/03/2020 - 11:13
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In the settings mode, try

In the settings mode, try Needle Damping (I) and (II) and see if that remedies the problem

Your Harpsmith, Kinya

 

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Sat, 04/04/2020 - 12:21
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I've made you a little video

I've made you a little video that shows what I mean. I go through all 3 settings for needle damper. At the end I switch to another app to show you how responsive that one is compared to cleartune. I think the issue is that cleartune is made for an older version of android ( it will pop up a message when you install it saying the app is made of an older version of android )

A little bit of research confirms this. The android app was last updated in 2012 whilst the apple version was updated to apple IOS 11 in 2017.

It's very common for small dev's to have varying version from apple to pc/android. Peterson makes a tuner app and the versions are different from android to apple. The apple version has way more options.

 

here's a link to a video of what I get using cleartune on android : https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1NrUyDL_HqtfaLjNVfzFnbWViefXCKnKa...

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Sat, 04/04/2020 - 12:23
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p.s: sorry I don't know why

p.s: sorry I don't know why the video came out upside down ;P

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Sat, 04/04/2020 - 14:38
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No worries. I was practicing

No worries. I was practicing my yoga, and therefore, was already standing on my head.

Right, it appears the developers support iOS but not Android. I just loaded a Brendan Power recommended app, called ToneBridge onto my android tablet and there was latency, etc.

What's wrong with that other app shown in the video?

Eventually, you may get to a point where you will use a tone engine to tune your reference (master) notes, then tune the other (notes) octaves by ear--listening for "beat/no-beat". A no-beat means you are in perfect sync with your reference reeds.

For years, I used the now out of production Seiko ST-1100 Chromatic Tuner with analog needle. My friend found his on eBay. You may want to head in that direction.

Your Harpsmith, Kinya

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Sat, 04/04/2020 - 17:24
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Oh nothing's wrong with the

Oh nothing's wrong with the second app. I showed it only so you can see how responsive it is compared to cleartune. That other app is called Harmonica tuner ( it's not for tuning) and it shows bends/overblows so you can practice hitting them. I highly recommend it for android users. it even detects when you play 3-4-5 notes together.

And yeah I've read about that but tuning in general still sounds like a puzzle to me. Need to do more research and get some practice ;P.

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Sat, 04/04/2020 - 17:48
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Like Rick Estrin wrote me,

Like Rick Estrin wrote me, "KEEP IT IN YOUR MOUTH"

Practice, Practice, Practice

Play, Play, Play until that harmonica loves you back!

That appears to be the common thread with all the top Harp Techs, they understand the nuances of the harmonica--deeply.

Your Harpsmith, Kinya

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